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Argument, juice the evidence. and they did that again and again and again. and i think the public now realizes that they were bamboozled. so karl rove is still on the wrong end of history. >> isn't there a continuing effort to sell the war? they said the way judy miller was used in "the new york times," the way in which they punished the wilsons, the way they kept going after them to undermine them, suggesting there was a junket, that it was somehow a husband that needed work, and he was sent over to africa and ended up debunking the case that saddam hussein had been buying nuclear materials o...

The sort of book-end case on the other side, in fact it had been a sales job. and so what you've seen -- >> paul o'neil's account, so many accounts on the inside of the treachery that went on. now he's operating as sort of the st. john to the messiah coming back at the end of this year to sell his view. it looks like he's working in tandem with george w to try to sell a war that the american people have come to believe was falsely sold to them, and the different bases than the real motive. the desire from the bush crowd to sell this war. >> the two people fighting this legacy fight, not george...

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