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>> when you're telling people that a presidential election is being stolen, you can't be shocked when people believe you and then become violent. at some point, they have to take responsibility. >> you know, you know, the thing is, mika -- first of all, donald trump is saying that it's smart. yeah, so smart that while he is sitting there lying to them and grifting and getting hundreds of millions of dollars from people lying, saying, give me money and we'll fight the election, and it all goes to him. first of all, not smart there. also, unfortunately, there were a lot of people that ...

I don't jump into that but i have to respect their opinions. ed: i have to give credit to colleague bryan llenas, accuser described as olivia describing time with epstein. >> looking back at it, it adds to the disgust and kind of horror of the whole thing. and, just to be clear i said no. difference between that first day and the optimism is so different than two years later, clearly still dealing -- ed: so sickening he was preying on underage girls. >> right. ed: i think people have interest in it, not just about epstein but all the other prominent people he was cavorting with, they're wonder...