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Government look bad. at least making it look like a difficult case. makes it unlikely to proceed. most legal experts at this point in time say that he has a very good chance on appeal should he end up being convicted on any of these counts. >> you're an esteemed journalist. you just publish ad book showdown, don't you think the "national enquirer" deserves some problems for this, given that -- you laugh but many people attacked the national inquire where they were breaking this story at every level as it evolved. >> no. they get credit for this. >> and they will never let us forget that. >> th...

Of bush? here's what president bill clinton actually said. he said, i hope that's the call i would have made. i'm going to bring in our panel now with us from washington. msnbc contributor jonathan, opinion writer for the "washington post." msnbc political analyst david corn. the author of the brand new book, showdown. thanks for being with me on my first show. >> good to be here. >> i want to start with you. you talk about the bin laden raid in your new book. now karl rove says this is no big deal? >> it was a very big deal. in the book showdown, there is a whole chamt on the decision making ...