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The companies had to prove before they'd be allowed to risk all of us by drilling in deep waters off american shores, if there were high expectations, could they really raise the bar in terms of what's expected from these companies on safety? >> of course, they could. if the cop on the beat is, in fact, threatening to punish, severely, an oil company because they are running the risk of endangering the entire gulf coast, i think there's no question, that they would have seen a response. but after a while, this boosterism led to complacency, and the complacency always leads to disaster. and the...

Before they'd be allowed to risk all of us by drilling in deep waters off american shores, if there were high expectations, could they really raise the bar in terms of what's expected from these companies on safety? >> of course, they could. if the cop on the beat is, in fact, threatening to punish, severely, an oil company because they are running the risk of endangering the entire gulf coast, i think there's no question, that they would have seen a response. but after a while, this boosterism led to complacency, and the complacency always leads to disaster. and the complacency which was allo...

Engaged in a whole generation of boosterism. that accidents couldn't happen. they actually said nothing could go wrong here. and obviously, they weren't prepared for a worst-case scenario. and boosterism led to kplas sevency. complacency led to disaster. the only way drilling can begin again in a serious way, is if like president carter naming john kennedy, the president of dartmouth to do a complete evaluation after three mile island. we need a complete independent evaluation of what happened here. the safety precautions are put into place and the american people's confidence can be rebuilt. ...

We've known that. people ended up being indicted over some of the problems, so how could they come in and not take this by the horns? >> i think mms, which has been an extremely troubled agency and the culture in that agency during the bush years became so compromised that without question, it is an agency that has to be completely overhauled. and what happened was bp constantly promised that an accident could not happen. that it was impossible to happen. and what happened was that boosterism led to a complacency and that led to disaster. this is a disaster and that disaster is something that ...

>> the -- >> expansion of it? >> bp and other oil companies engaged in a whole generation of boosterism. that accidents couldn't happen. they actually said nothing could go wrong here. and obviously, they weren't prepared for a worst-case scenario. and boosterism led to complacency. complacency led to a disaster. the only way drilling can begin again in a serious way, is if like president carter naming john kennedy, the president of dartmouth to do a complete evaluation after three mile island. we have the same kind of independent evaluation of what happened here, the safety precautions are pu...