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charges like this often have cascading effects and as you mentioned, the president's facing at least three other potential criminal investigations into his conduct right now. whichever way these charges go and hopefully we'll be privy to all of them in the next 15 minutes or so, how might this strengthen or weaken the former president's hand in those other key cases? >> i think that's a great question on the politics side of things. not on the legal side of things. you know, i don't think any of these district attorneys or the special counsel are interacting saying you go first, no, ...

Wrenching, society wrenching, bad politics in economics they look at those and say that's the way to go if you want to reduce poverty, force people to pull themselves up against the boot straps. the evidence goes the other way. over the business cycle expansion over the 2,000s, poverty rates did not go down, they went up. >> chairman. >> yes. >> i ask you, in terms -- look, there is an argument to be made here. jared makes an eloquent argument. we had stats we used. what is the point of introducing a policy speech like this late in the campaign season? >> i don't know what the specifics are be...