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Back and forth. he says, okay, i won't close the border down, but as he is traveling to a photo op at the wall turns to mcaleenan and says, you know, we'll just, you know, keep people out. we just won't let the asylum seekers in, any of the people that are trying to get in come in. just turn them away. the country is full. and he says to mcaleenan, if you return into any legal problems, i will pardon you. it was a part of this effort that he did for much of the last three years to kind of reach for extreme ideas to keep people out of the country. >> more than that, i mean, there are multiple i...

And i do have an issue though with the presidents rhetoric on saying, i will shut the border down if i do not get my wall. because i look at that and say wait a minute now, if we can shut the border down, why do we need the wall? i think he undermined his own point when he says that. that rhetoric is hurting a little bit. >> and at least the legal crossings will probably undermine economies of california, texas, arizona and some other states. >> and you also force illegal crossings away from those checkpoints and it would be a better problem. leland: interesting point. no surprises come from a...

Threatening to shut down the entire border as the remaining caravan looms closer. steve: gets t >> gets to a level where people start getting hurt we will close the border for a period of time until we can get control. >> the whole. >> the whole border. rachel: what does it mean for border security? here to weigh in is tom homan. welcome. >> hi, how are you doing? rachel: we had a great thanksgiving. let's get started on this topic here. what do you think the president means when he says we are going to shut down the border. does it mean all of it? what does it mean actually in effect? >> >> i...

We would send kids to their death if we send them back. >> his folks say he's welcoming the kids into maryland. >> that was at least the initial news out of maryland over that. >> leaked likely from the white house after a big standoff conversation on friday. >> right. that was one of the many tosses under the bus. i think in this case governor o'malley deserved it. he's grandstanding. he opposes the president. he says we're a better country than this and kids will face death if they are returned, which is a mild exaggeration and then it turns out that he didn't want to receive them in his own...

Killed yet. but i know how it secure that border. when i am the president, that border will be secure and the issues we have been forced to deal with as governors, will start to be alleviated and then we can have a decent, thoughtful and economically focused conversation about immigration policy. >> sean: you think you can secure the border in what period of time as president? >> seriously, within a year. >> sean: nobody can come across the border. >> unless you want 'em to. if there is a point where we need that conservation, what is the type of immigration policy we need to have? what kind o...