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Of surge that would be riskier than not. so i want to start with that. that democrats and republicans all agree we need the safety and security of the border communities. that is going to be there for a surge of law enforcement resources an border enforcement resources. that does not solve the problem below the border which is you have a lot of people who want to come. it is a come pplicated issue an not to criticize the analysis from someone on the ground, but it is very hard to -- the push-pull elements of migration are really complicated. simple lifting of something doesn't bring a lot of p...

That is what they are doing. this president has done more to secure the border than any other president before him. the growth of the undocumented population -- >> not true. >> -- under this president, which is a big measure in border security, has been net negative. this president has put -- >> maria, that's -- >> hang on, ben. hang on. i did not interrupt you. so this president has put more border enforcement resources than any other president before him. there is a bill in congress right now that, if republicans were serious about continuing to secure the border, they would have passed. it'...