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Says wall, oftentimes frankly john kelly said he'll say barrier or fencing, now he's tended towards steel slats. a lot of people are trying to understand the language that is being used here. the president said himself that he wanted a wall, a fence, whatever they would like to call it, referencing democrats, i'll call it whatever they want. when asked about the $5 billion figure this week, this past week, he said it's complicated, whether he was willing to come off of that number. i'm just asking the question, do you think there's more room for negotiation with this president than most people...

About the president -- he still says wall, oftentimes frankly john kelly said he'll say barrier or fencing, now he's tended towards steel slats. a lot of people are trying to understand the language that is being used here. the president said himself that he wanted a wall, a fence, whatever they would like to call it, referencing democrats, i'll call it whatever they want. when asked about the $5 billion figure this week, this past week, he said it's complicated, whether he was willing to come off of that number. i'm just asking the question, do you think there's more room for negotiation with...

If they want to 11 million illegal immigrants getting -- they could use it for health care. >> i'm going to defend donald trump for a second. donald trump did try to negotiate on daca and immigration security and he got his head handed to him and not by me and not by my party but by this party and many people on this channel. >> that's not what happened. >> that's exactly what happened. >> sandra: mark, your final thought. >> if the democrats are smart, they have to decide are they the resis dance oresistance or a gog majority. if they want to get things done, you use leverage to get something...

Keeps calling it a wall and recalling the imagery from his campaign which was big high concrete wall that nobody can climb over. as long as he's stuck on that, that's what democrats are not going to affirm. they don't mind border fencing or technology or all of the things that kellyanne conway was talking about. they are not going to affirm the notion of a border wall. >> let me switch gears here for a moment and talk to you about the other side of the aisle. plenty much democrats have been talking about running for president. we expect a lot of announcements in 2019. one has launched their 20...

Illegal immigrants getting -- they could use it for health care. >> i'm going to defend donald trump for a second. donald trump did try to negotiate on daca and immigration security and he got his head handed to him and not by me and not by my party but by this party and many people on this channel. >> that's not what happened. >> that's exactly what happened. >> sandra: mark, your final thought. >> if the democrats are smart, they have to decide are they the resis dance oresistance or a gog majority. if they want to get things done, you use leverage to get something in exchange for it. there'...