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A mode of going on offense, instead of being so defensive, or else the public is gonna buy what the republicans are selling. >> kaitlan, you've spent so much on this. you understand the distinction between immigration policy, border flow and management, which is its own thing, and the root causes, why people are coming to this country. they are separate issues. democrats really want to lean into a solution to this, all they need to do is read your stuff. what can they do to own this issue, as opposed to, you know, constantly being under the defensive about it? >> well, thank you, ali. what i h...

Be under consideration. >> kaitlan, one of the things you and i have talked about for a long time, this has been a decades long failure by both parties. this could have been fixed a long time ago. but this cruelty was not a hallmark of the republican party. in fact, former president bush, jeb bush of florida, they all have views about integration and immigration policy that are much more in line with mainstream views. the cruelty is not part of the way they see things. they do see things as, as the secretary says, from a sort of economic perspective, that we need these people in our country. w...

This could have been fixed a long time ago. but this cruelty was not a hallmark of the republican party. in fact, former president bush, jeb bush of florida, they all have views about immigration and immigration policy that are much more in line with mainstream views. the cruelty is not part of the way they see things. they do see things as, as the secretary says, from a sort of economic perspective, that we need these people in our country. we don't give birth to enough people to supply our workforce on an ongoing basis. what's the shift in the republican party and why has that worked so well...

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