not prisoners. they had to release the j six hostages, they've suffered enough. they have to release them. >> joining me now is michelle goldberg, new york times columnist and an msnbc contributor, and tessa owen, senior reporter covering extremism for vice news. thank you both for being here to talk about it. just a deeply distressing and weirdly wildly under discussed topic in american political life. michelle, i'll start with you, just because i know you have a piece today that we're going to get to in a second. david french, one of your colleagues at the new york times also has a case, where he talks about the way in which the normalization of political violence in american life is at an unprecedented level, and draws attention to the polling, i think it was last october, 33% of republicans and 41% of pro trump americans agree with the statement that because things have gotten so far off track, true american patriots
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