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Has stirred the pot of very long held divisions in american society and part of me thinks when you look at the sum total of evidence, that a huge part of the consternation has to do with race. these people are bringing diseases here, they may be terrorists. it's a grab bag of paranoid theories. but it just basically comes town to the division of us versus them. >> i was a border governor.town to the division of us versus them. >> i was a border governor. and i had to deal with all this right wing fear mongering, you know, the terrorism, everything from diseases to terrorism. there is one area ...

There are more border agents, more technology, i was a border governor. there is less illegal immigration coming in. and the reason some of these problems are happening in arizona with these children that are exploited by coyotes and illegal characters is because we have a broken immigration system. now in the republican party there are a lot of evangelicals, business leaders that want to see immigration reform. and i think what the tea party is doing, they're driving a huge wedge within the republican party that is going to cause them to lose seats this coming november, and i think certainly,...

And because they're looking for a very serious profit out of this what they will often do is hold people that they have smuggled across until they can get even more money from family members, essentially a kidnapping for ransom to increase their profits. >> governor richardson, how do you think stories like this affect the drive towards immigration reform or the enthusiasm for it? i mean, on one hand you would think this is horrific, we must have comprehensive immigration reform. on the other side, the detractors are going to say, well, they must have a path way to citizenship. i'm not sure wh...

Senate wants to take them up, great, bipartisan consensus. if not, wait. >> the western border governor formerly, how do you respond? >> i think the bill is in trouble, and i regret it because i think the true conservative position on immigration reform, here's legislation that improves the gross domestic product. it reduces the deficit. it creates jobs, more social security rules. it's a path to legalization that takes 13 years. there's a lot of steps that need to be taken. employer sanctions. i was a border governor. illegal immigration has gone down. it's gone down. the border fence that ha...

Senate wants to take them up, great, bipartisan consensus. if not, wait. >> the western border governor formerly, how do you respond? >> i think the bill is in trouble, and i regret it because i think the true conservative position on immigration reform, here's legislation that improves the gross domestic product. it reduces the deficit. it creates jobs, more social security rules. it's a path to legalization that takes 13 years. there's a lot of steps that need to be taken. employer sanctions. i was a border governor. illegal immigration has gone down. it's gone down. the border fence that ha...