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Not hispanic. it's an offensive -- >> i never heard anybody put it that way. it's interesting. you're right. the ideals themselves are not a color or culture or race. >> this is a way of shaming -- >> the caucus advocates for certain policies. >> i remember -- i'm old enough to remember when bill clinton was a border hawk and got 72% of the latino vote and president bush got 40% of the latino vote back in 2004, was it? >> right. >> how do latinos get back to that? i think them excluding conservatives, latinos from the caucus, they're trying to not allow conservatives out there. latinos to know...

With ron reagan who said my father would be deeply disturbed that somebody as shallow as trump is managing to lead the race. he has his liberal side. let's talk about this when it comes to the details that we're hearing, especially about immigration. the most details we have heard so far. he says that he would deport all undocumented immigrants and rescind president obama's executive action on immigration just to name a few. when you get those kinds of specifics, especially knowing we need a crucial luteatino vote, his offerings especially when it comes to specifics going to hurt or help his c...

Have in there will be thrown out. it won't work. >> although, tom, bills tend to, at least from our left perspective, not get more reasonable as they go from the senate to the house. >> they don't, but that's going to depend a lot on the procedure speaker boehner uses to bring this up. as you noted a second ago, there are some huge bright lines here. i don't think people are talking about second-class citizenship right now, we're talking about clear principles. you're talking about however long the path is, people are on the path. an immediate ability to come out of the shadows and have basic ...

>> well, i'm a big tea party guy and i can tell you there's no stronger border hawk than me. mitt romney not only understands are, he wants to enforce the law. he was the governor that actually vetoed this in state tuition for illegals. he supported his state police in massachusetts to enforce the law. immigration law. he didn't handcuff them at a lot of leaders, including president obama. and there's only one guy i believe able to beat barack obama. this isn't going to be a cake walk and we need the strongest candidate. i've met and like the other candidates but mitt romney i believe is the g...

Everybody is talking about immigration. is it at the point where that superseded job talk? >> oh, yes. it's on the airwaves on tv and radio all day, last minute flurry yesterday here in arizona. it's all about the border and that takes -- puts our attention on the mccain-hayworth race. it looked early on like j.d. hayworth had a chance challenging john mccain. it shows you once again that money is the mother's milk of politics. he had a lot of money. mccain did left over from the presidential race and he has reinvented himself. he's a reborn border hawk and hands down favorite to win this one ...