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Thornel former press secretary for chris van holland. welcome. it was said in the "washington post" about the eric holder versus the house republicans, quote, holder is playing to lose if the gop will let him. no republican or conservative commentator should even raise it. the public tunes out when something becomes just another partisan squabble. why isn't this more obvious to the gop leaders? you used to work for a gop leader, brad. is this distracting from the economy? >> not at all. and i think you need to step back and look at what we're dealing with here. good politics isn't about paybac...

Uninformed? >> here's how i remember it, anderson. he was talking, he said, you know, the president promised the wall 50 feet high from sea to shining sea. that's not going to happen. he said -- he stopped talking about wall and started calling it barrier. in some places, the barrier would be -- in fact, it's so inhospitable no one would come through there. that's the wall. some places it would be a drone, some places a border security agent. some places a concrete wall. he said think about it as barrier. this is what i think the most telling thing is. he shared with us that -- he said the pre...