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Never walked or worked in the shoes of a border patrol agents. we have all these talking heads come out on all these shows and msnbc and cnn talking about how wall does not work. but, come on, they have never been to the border. some of these people have no idea how the border works. border patrol agents are the real border security experts. we work testify single day. ed: wait, you are saying if we want to learn about the border we should listen to border patrol agents? jedediah: novel idea. ed: very interesting prospect. hector thank you for being here. pete: thank you for your service to ou...

But as far as whether or not a wall would work, that seems to be the most divisive argument between republicans and democrats because many would say of course all wall would work. if you have a huge structure standing before you, how do you lift your child over that or your wife? i don't know how that would work out. border patrol agents on the ground, i'm not there, you are not there, border patrol agents on the ground sale wall would work. what you say to those at the border day in and day out? >> there have been a lot of national security and border security experts that have said the wall ...

From everything i can see and hear, a normal white house would have the senior officials from relevant agencies meet over many hours to make determinations about what the best way forward is. what seems to happen in this white house is that may take place and they make a set of recommendations and those recommendations are completely ignored by president trump and a small group of people around him including stephen miller. essentially, the experts, their opinions are shoved to the side and what you have is an ideological agenda that maerrie with trump's political agenda that ignores the borde...

But the border wall that he seems to continue to have in his head is nothing that those states want, nothing that border security experts recommend and not supported by our party or his party. >> so if he's clearly not going to agree to what's called a clean daca bill that only allows the d.r.e.a.m.ers to stay. he said any such daca bill, he tweeted this last night after the meeting, as i made very clear today, the country needs the security on the wall with the southern border. which must be part of any daca approval. if it has to be there in order to protect the d.r.e.a.m.ers, let ethem cont...

It's in our best interest. >> does this transcript that "the washington post" published show in your mind that the president was, at the least, not fully honest with the american people or lied to the american people about the belief mexico would pay for the wall? >> i'll defer that president to the president. i don't know the full context of the discussion. i haven't read the transcriptions, i will. at the end of the day, it's never made sense to assume we were going to build a large wall. we have a smart approach to it. it's an approach the new chief of staff agrees with. i know border secur...