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Tripling down on we've never abandoned a wall. a wall is what we're going to get. he's going to either end up caving big time, you know, if they end up going with border security or you may see a very long shutdown. this seems to be where the president wants to make his stand. >> what do you think? >> we'll have to wait and see how long this shutdown goes. while we have the democrats seemingly unmoving from their position and the president as well, republicans on capitol hill, while they do want to support the presses's policy goals, they do support a wall, more border security, they're not wi...

What a wall is. wall isn't a fence. he seems to care so much about a wall that he's going on twitter, contradicting his own chief of staff, john kelly's on-the-record remarks saying they abandoned a wall. it's extremely important for this president to say to his base, who follows him on twitter very closely, i am still for a stro strong, big wall. we know what that is. the problem is that runs smack hard into house democratic opposition and a good number of democrats in the senate, too, who don't believe that the threat to america is so great that you need to build a gigantic wall on the borde...

Back in session later this week, we'll see more direct communication between the president -- or among the president and schumer and pelosi but right now these discussions are simply not happening. >> they are clearly at an impasse. patrick, you had alluded to this. this sort of change in language over the border wall and the outgoing chief of staff john kelly told the l.a. times that the administration had abandoned this idea of a concrete wall. then you have kellyanne conway telling cnn yesterday this is all about semantics and we shouldn't be caught up in the semantics of the wall and what ...

Supporters very much want a wall or at least have gotten behind him certainly during the 2016 campaign and as president over a wall. senator graham introducing daca into this, at least right now for house democrats, isn't the path they want to go down. what it will come down to is whether president trump still insists on calling something a wall and asking for several billion dollars for it or a more looser border security bill. >> the president still hasn't reached tout democrats to negotiate. and it's still unclear what he will sign at this point. right? >> exactly. i mean, it seems publicly...

Heard from lindsey graham? do you think that a deal that involves daca is something that democrats can get on board with? >> no. democrats don't want to go down the daca road. at least not now. they don't want this to get fuzzed up with a number of different issues being pulled together. they want to pass a bill that reopens the government, that shows that the democrats support government functioning normally and making sure that hundreds of thousands of workers are getting their paychecks so they're not dipping into savings or credit. and what they're open to, it seems like, is border securit...