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Ball to that, an all-concrete wall was never abandoned, all caps for emphasis, as reported by the media. some areas will be concrete but porder experts prefer a see-through wall that makes it possible to see what is happening on both sides. makes sense to me. he is also calling on democrats to return to washington, d.c. to try to negotiate a deal that would reopen the government. there are some optimists out there, including senator lindsey graham, here at the white house this weekend, having a long lunch with the president. he was a bit optimistic. he tried to present an idea to the president...

Shutdown will simply have to keep waiting even within the administration now. it appears there is some disagreement over the meaning of border wall. the outgoing chief of staff john kelly made headlines with an interview he gave to the l.a. times in which he attempts to redefine what president trump means when he says border wall. take a look at this quote that kelly gave the times. to be honest, it's not a wall. the president still says wall. often times, frank ly, he will say barrier or fencing. now he has tended toward steel slats but we left a solid concrete wall early on in the administra...

But as far as whether or not a wall would work, that seems to be the most divisive argument between republicans and democrats because many would say of course all wall would work. if you have a huge structure standing before you, how do you lift your child over that or your wife? i don't know how that would work out. border patrol agents on the ground, i'm not there, you are not there, border patrol agents on the ground sale wall would work. what you say to those at the border day in and day out? >> there have been a lot of national security and border security experts that have said the wall ...

Places you need additional personnel, use drones, satellites, do things that will actually secure the border. we've appropriated almost $1.7 billion, the department spends a 6% of it. the real issue is the fight and the reality is democrats and republicans both, i presume, want to secure our borders in a responsible way. let's use the advancements in technology to solve the problem. >> julie: when you do realize that this isn't the only president and it doesn't have to be a republican that has wanted a wall. hillary clinton at one point -- >> i don't know that there's been another president th...

They are not equipped, our facilities are not equipped. originally they were built assuming it will be primarily adult males in this facility. now you have men, women, children, often with their health issues, maybe some disease, they come from very impoverished areas, that's the reality. to have this many people coming across the border, trying to listen to their asylum claims, try to catch those seeking across the border, all of this putting a tremendous burden and yes it does show absolutely the need we have to build strong border security and that does include all wall. >> julie: what did ...