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What rachel is talking about? does it exist and is it as hot? >> i don't think it's as hot for democrats as republicans, but there is. from a negotiating point of view, smart for the republicans to put something out there to try to put pressure on democrats. you have to look at what they put out there and the context they put out there. they have, on one hand, said, we'll extend dreamers for three years. then, there's a poison pill in there about applying for asylum so much more difficult. they knew the democrats were going to reject this when they put it out there. democrats, again, context i...

Respond. >> let's talk basic numbers. $285 billion is what we spent to enforce border security last year. $285 billion is a lot of money. $5.6 billion is a drop in that bucket, to add more of that border barrier we are talking about. whether it is slats and steel or a hard wall in some places. it's a tiny amount of money. the president said last may to the nation, "i want to another continuing resolution. i'm going to do border security, and we are going to set a budget." the democrats haven't gone along with it, but he's keeping his promise. >> it's a president keeping his campaign promise ab...

Beginning, with maybe daca thrown in, maybe another billion thrown into it, but it's not going to be the $5 billion. and the question that the democrats have, here's an issue that you have to deal with, the executive branch didn't spend what they allocated for border security last year. so why allocate more if you haven't spent what you've got? there are people who say that there's got to be stuff done, but it's not going to be a $5 billion wall and it never will be. >> so margaret, let's talk about the democratic strategy here. we now know, democratic sources confirming to our reporters on ca...

Way in the senate that this could be averted? >> well, frankly, the president could indicate once again that he's willing to sign the bill that we have already passed through the senate. the senate passed a bill we worked on very hard in a bipartisan way all year that includes 1.6 billion in additional investments in border security but doesn't include $5 billion for a border wall. that strikes me as a small difference that is not worth shutting down the government over. and by the way, let me remind you, making 40,000 federal law enforcement officers, 54,000 customs and border patrol agents a...