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Patrols, other security measures, cameras, surveillance, satellites, than it would be to actually build a physical wall. but trump is hung up on the wall because it is his gut instinct, it is tappingible, something you can visit, something you can see. he really wants to promise that delivery right to his base. i think what is striking here is how he's such an outsider, this is the way his running for re-election, i think his theme for re-election is i am an outsider, i am not part of washington. i am here to blow things up, to shut down the government if needs be to fight for what is going to...

Senate floor, but behind closed doors potentially with the president. i just saw a tweet that the president put out saying he is going to have a lunch with a lot of people in the dining room there at the white house the discuss this. >> yeah, he didn't say who those people are. we are trying to find out whether he is meeting for senators, republicans or democrats in the white house. he used a word that might be a signal. he says we are going to talk about border security. the president there did not say his border wall. >> yeah. >> democrats said they are fine with funding border security but ...

Langford of oklahoma sounding optimistic on reaching a compromise for money for a border wall. joining us now, a panel. welcome to all three of you. bob, you first here. is this hang-up with money or is it the wording? >> alex it is definitely about therd woulding. i mean because the -- the wording. the math as the senator was saying it is easy. they could come in somewhere between $1.3 billion and $5 billion roughly and split the difference. but it is the wall. this is the last chance i think that trump has to get his wall. that was his number one campaign promise. it is amazing alex the lack...

For a democratic house to pass a budget? >> i think we have to talk about this in honest terms. donald trump said mexico is going to pay for the wall. we should not be having a debate about how much american taxpayers are going to pay for a wall that donald trump promised mexico with a payer to. that's first. second, i think that border security and building a stupid wall are two different things. democrats have long been supporters of increased border security. that was a big part the 2013 immigration bill that did not become the law. so it would be a nice thing to go back to that piece of le...

An unnecessary, ineffective and wasteful policy. what we do support, democrats and republicans, is real effective border security. but not a wall. the wall is president trump's boone to the hard right people. it's no way to speak up $5 billion, for political boone i heard the president and hess allies in the media say democrats don't support border security. nothing could be further from the truth. democrats have always been for smart and effective ways to secure or border. we are pushing for technology like drones and sensors and inspection equipment. every single proposal we made to the pres...