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Of cardinals, the appropriators think if the president declares a national emergency and takes the wall off the table in a sense because the wall would then be decided by the courts. the president would be tied up on the border wall and the appropriators could hope they would cut their own deal on many border security provisions while the wall is being figured out by the court. the way this can play out, maybe it's extended past february 15th and the wall just becomes a national emergency issue. >> and mike murphy is now hooked up properly with us, mike. if this all goes down already anne coul...

Mid 2000's and congress hasn't been able to agree on it, really, a couple week extension of only the republicans passed things, suddenly there was going to be a deal? come on. >> no, as a matter of fact, i was in the group of eight in 2013 that negotiated for seven months on comprehensive immigration reform and it's tragic that we didn't get that bill to the floor. it had passed the senate on a bipartisan basis we would have resolved many of the issues right now and there was very, very substantial border security provisions in both the senate bill and the house bill that we developed. but wha...

Border. now, it is funny because of john kelly's l.a. times interview. he said the wall the president is asking for is not exactly a wall. that contradicts a lot of what we have heard. we are not exactly sure what they are asking for. it is going to be tough for a deal to come together when what exactly being called for isn't necessarily clear. >> that's what people are still trying to get clarity for as we move into this new year. >> with the border being tied, what is the thinking on whether democrats will actually budge for the sake of getting some immigration reform? >> well, it's still un...

Six of them, that have bh a resolution to the daca issue and some border security provisions in it but the president will not accept them and take them up. he rather use this opportunity to flame his base and to score political points. i think the american people deserve far better than this. >> congressman, daca very personal to you considering your own history. talk to me about why it is so personal to you and also i don't know if you had the opportunity to speak to daca recipients and how they feel this weekend considering the shutdown and the debate over legislation that could affect their...

The white house is trying to cut two deals this week, one on daca protections and trying to get border security provisions and end chain migration and end to the visa lottery program at the same time they're trying to cut a deal with the democrats to keep the government open as well. the white house confident it can get both. it says it doesn't believe it will get a daca deal this week. the president certainly is standing firm on his demands for a daca deal tweeting this morning we must have security at our very dangerous southern border and we must have a great wall to help protect us and hel...