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Leland: fair to say, this is more valuable for each side as a political weapon headed into 2020 than it is as a solved bipartisan compromise? >> absolutely. i think history shows in 2013 all of these democrats voted for immigration reform package that included a lot more money for wall, as well as technology and immigration reform now they don't want to talk about any of that. leland: at the same level though, during the 2018 midterms, as the last couple of weeks wound down and the president went hard on immigration, republicans lost 40-plus seats. do you worry if democrats are able to hold it...

David, thank you so much, leland. leland: all right. there is also a couple of republicans left in d.c. one of them, florida congresswoman francis rooney. nice to see you, sir. at some level, now that republicans are in the minority, how much leverage, pull, stay, does your caucus have? >> well, i don't know, i guess we're going to find out. in the first week, i don't think we've had a lot of leverage at all. leland: how does that play out? nancy pelosi going to be able to sort of wield that gavel over president trump? >> well, you know, i feel sorry for the president right now. he has-- they ...

Special counsel appointed in 2018, there was no hard evidence of collusion. the reports in the times suggested a counter intelligence ca case, all of this as the government remains shut down. >> before christmas we outlined everything we wanted and democrats never respond today that. we didn't have our negotiating team led by vice-president mike pence met with leaders on the hills and they talked about some items and put together a budget and democrats won't negotiate on that either. >> and democrats say that they support smart effective border security solution, new technology, more personnel...

Border security. does it matter or is it one in the same? >> it depends on the listeners. they don't like the drumming on about the wall and only the wall. they have been talking about a mixed border security solution. you can't physically have a wall along the border. it does not work top graphically with land rights or the rivers there, too. the gop has known that for a long time. they don't like the singular focus on the wall. parts of trump's base really do. they are talking that some of his advisers are not talking to. you have a mixed bag of terms and depending on the president, we heard...

Are you going to have to give president trump his funding for his border wall in order to get a deal? >> a border wall is a waste of money, squandering millions of dollars on an ineffective border security solution is really rep hencibl reprehensible. there are ways we can strengthen the fencing that exists and maybe extend it. if the mexicans are not going to pay for the border wall as donald trump promised, we won't support it in the way he has proposed. >> are you calling it border security and he's calling it a border wall and it's going to be the same at $18 billion? >> you know, as part ...