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An agreement with people who are more focused on stopping the president than they are on helping the country. i always say remember ten years ago, both then-senator clinton, senator obama, both of them said they were for money for border security wall, money for a bauerier. and, of course -- barrier. and, of course, today the democrats are taking extreme positions. secretary clinton, when she ran for president just a couple years ago,ing saying we need a borderless hemisphere. you've got the speaker of the house saying walls are immoral, and look who's giving the democrat response to the state...

Security budget, and it's money that hasn't been appropriated. constitutionally, congress has to appropriate dollars, but money that's there that hasn't been spent and appropriated, the president can use that to construct border security fencing under current law. to build the border security wall, he would need to declare an emergency or congress would need to pass language which says we appropriate these dollars for a border security wall, and that's been a hang-up. democrats won't negotiate with us even though they said you open up the government, mr. president, we will negotiate then. the ...

Border security wall den. maria: so nothing really has changed. you were among those pushing the president to dig in, look, keep the government closed. was all of that worth it? >> we were pushing the president to do what with we told the american people we were going to do. it doesn't take a genius -- what are we on now, the fifth caravan forming, going to be here any day now in texas? anyone with common sense can see we need a border security wall, we need to secure our border, we need to reform our asylum laws if we're going to address the problem if as the president says every day if we're...

Scratcher, how she could call a wall immoral knowing that she has this wall separating tijuana and san diego in her own state. do you think the president will call for a national emergency during the state of the union on tuesday night? should he do that? >> i don't know if he will then. i do think as he said just the other day, he is seriously consider considering that. that'll be the president's call. what i know is the president is committed to securing the southern border, committed to building a border security wall. that's what he told the american people he was going to do, that's why t...

He needs. let's work through this security clearance process. the administration has done that. understand they are so focused on stopping the president and not on helping the country. i think we'll continue to see this. i hope that changes but it certainly doesn't look like it is going to. >> sandra: i have to leave it there. a couple seconds left. how does the shutdown story end? >> if nancy pelosi would get focused on helping the country we would get a solution. let's sit down and negotiate and not play the games of not inviting the president to the state of the union. let's help the countr...