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You doing with this idea of interest rates. there is a meeting on wednesday. the president is doing everything he can to try to tell jerome powell not to raise rates. >> neil: thank you. i like the physical gestures in the raised shoulders. >> that's where we are. >> neil: john roberts on whether we shut down or not. here comes "the five." ♪ >> dana: hello, i am dana perino with jedediah bila, juan williams, jesse watters and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five" ." president trump and democrats had to collide on two key issues. the border wall and obamacare. first,...

30-$40 billion is the estimate to support those troops. and they have to be looking at that and saying that's formidable. >> that's why it's bizarre to suggest that trump was making a pro putin move by acknowledging all this border spending. i'm not sure how that benefits vladimir putin, and the same thing is true if they were to stop russia from importing 70% of their natural gas. the only people who are making suggestions, all of this was a front for him just to make an excuse and pull out of nato entirely, and we haven't seen that happen yet obviously. >> martha: you made some points today ...

Run, and it was launched actually earlier than had planned. and i just think that they -- you know, look, other administrations have dealt with critical books in the past and they've done it in a way, whether it was a republican or a democrat, where they sort of just dismissed it and moved on and talked about their message. and this white house just isn't capable of doing that. >> matt, let's talk about immigration, daca and the wall proposal, this presented to dick durbin, democrat from the senate, late last week. what's proposed is $33 billion in new border spending, reported $18 billion her...

Favors and additions, riders to the bill for what they wanted and what matters in their districts. does that help those members of congress win re-election in the short term? absolutely yes. does it drive up the deficit with no real positive outcome in the long run? also yes. what i would like to see is a clean budget. >> neil: got it. angela, we shall see. now let's go to chad pergram on capitol hill, our producer what next, chad? >> what next? they have to go to the senate. there's about a 75% chance later tonight the senate will pass this. the president will sign it. the big fight is betwee...

>> you mentioned the republican and how democrats could be on the same page, oppose the president. >> yes. it was used when president obama was in office. maybe they're taking a page out of the same playbook. should come as no surprise to anyone in the trump administration. of course, the democrats are feeling very good about this. there's many issues that they wanted to preserve and spending in this bill. they got it. although it's worth saying, then't did get a significant increase in dod spending and an increase in border spending even though it's not going to the wall. so pluses for republ...