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But members of congress could do something. >> border agents and ice, they're not partisan. but yesterday there was a striking moment when the ice director, the acting ice director was asked if this was inhumane. he couldn't really give an answer. i asked sister norma, she said they're just trying to do their job. do you buy that or do you think they're part and parcel with the action? >> i think they're doing something, i assume they're not proud of doing. maybe they feel they can mitigate, do it less inhumanely than others who might replace them. but it's awful the u.s. government officials ...

You need to strip the courts of jurisdiction. this will get tied up forever with the wall. without e-verify coming or going to have a border surge like we had in 2014. that obviously is going to have a lot of people moving. they are going to be able to move product across the border. drug cartels. >> laura: 293 pages. we haven't had time to go through the whole thing. >> the goodlatte bill has what we campaigned on. the goodlatte bill and chain migration. we do they say they won't get it through. it's not going to pass the senate. probably will pass the house, although paul ryan is going to br...

Lawful permanent residents who were band initially. >> bill: that was an amendment that was made. a law based on risk, not religion. that's part of your message. >> bill: the threat from radical islamic terrorism is real. look what is happening in europe and the middle east. courts must act fast exclamation point. they've done two things. a border surge and pause in the immigration of refugees coming from overseas. if the question is national security, isn't that also a question of time? >> in other words, when he said act fast, how fast is that? >> it is a question of time. we've seen the ter...

Application fees, border crossings, possibly wire transfers back into mexico and central america. there are a lot of creative ways to do this. i think up front the american people are going to have to pay for border surge to take place and then repayment plan will be put in place. >> but the mexican government had said they're unwilling to pay in any form. it is realistic to tell the american people you may pay now but don't worry, you'll get the money back some day? >> look, i understand your point better than anybody. but i do think there are ways to put a border security fee on visa applica...

Because it can't get through? or is principle decision that you litvy have changed your mind? >> i do not support amnesty. i never have. i always believe there has to be real consequences for violating our immigration laws. when i'm president, there will not be am nesty. and criminal aliens will be deported and sanction cities will lose their funding. >> in the campaign trail on 2010 and what you said when you were pushing the gang of eight bills were two different things. >> in 2010, that was in the context of mccain and a fast path to not just legalization but to citizenship. i believe there...