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Charged with. we don't know all the details. obviously, the judge was confused today. he thought the general fund was still being played. >> harris: the judge wasn't even clear if he committed a crime. that's why his opening line was "i want to make sure i'm not looking at a sentence for a guy who hasn't even committed a crime." i want to move on for the government shutdown and where we really are. how do you look at it in terms of the white house now saying that they would look at a way to get around to the funding, the center of the fight for the wall? the border wall system? so that we don'...

It's set to attach additional technology to it. so it's really a border wall system. >> neil: i got it. the anti-dig means you can't dig beneath it and crawl under it. >> yes, sir. >> neil: the president has staked his reputation and the government on this. as much as you want this, what do you think of that? >> well, i can tell you the president has been extremely supportive and listening to my men and women on the ground and has listened to myself as we have described what we need to be able to secure this border. >> neil: chief, the issue that i want an update on, regardless of what happens...

Minority -- and what i'm hearing when i hear the chairman of committees that i'm going to sit on not talk about policy issues, but rather talk about investigations -- it makes me believe that we are going to have to play defense in a very aggressive manner. there might be some places where we can find some mutual accord, but i would say we are going have to be very aggressive in defending the policies and priorities and principles that we have. >> harris: you know, i want to take us a little broader now. you said we have to play defense "in an aggressive manner." did you see that sit down with...

Democrats now. the president is sitting down with nancy pelosi house leadership, and chuck schumer senate leadership yesterday for democrats. it was pretty confrontational at times. how to get something down for this president that includes a border wall system either before the end of the year or beyond it? >> i think it's going to come down to the continuing discussions between the president and nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. clearly, in order to give the government funded and to get funding for the border wall, there is going to have to be some agreement. it takes 50 votes in the senate to...

>> harris: glad to have you. we'll go to the news. big news day, as always. we are watching the white house as the president, congresswoman nancy pelosi, and senator chuck schumer are set to meet. at the heart of the talks are efforts to fund that border wall system. the president has requested at least $5 billion to pay for that. an idea which democrats have so far rejected. senate minority leader schumer and house majority leader pelosi released a statement. here it is, in part. "our country cannot afford a trump shutdown, the president knows full well that he doesn't have the votes to pass ...