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It's not. i think as jennifer just indicated, the president is coming dangerously close to tampering with witnesses. he doesn't have to do it overtly. it can be subtle, which is not a word you really hear too much about this president. but it can be subtle, and that's what he's doing. >> i got to ask you because, you know, you both keep saying, well, it's unsavory but not necessarily illegal. he's putting out the possibility of pardoning people who stay strong. i mean it does seem like a boss tactic. but technically not illegal? >> well, it's actually very hard to prove witness tampering. one ...

About this president. but it can be subtle, and that's what he's doing. >> i got to ask you because, you know, you both keep saying, well, it's unsavory but not necessarily illegal. he's putting out the possibility of pardoning people who stay strong. i mean it does seem like a boss tactic. but technically not illegal? >> well, it's actually very hard to prove witness tampering. one of the problems here is the nature of twitter. you know, he's making these comments to the public generally. he's not calling these people directly. maybe he is, but we don't know that's true. it's hard to say he's...