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Pro active services, organizations that are being aggressive in advance of an attack to make themselves better and more able to defend against these attacks. >> shawn, without telling me something that you would have to kill me after you told me, is there a coordinated effort between places like homeland security and the fbi and the cia and the private enterprise in sort of saying hey who has the best tools that we can use together on this front? >> i think the private sector has been helpful in terms of helping to disable bot nets and infrastructure used by criminal organizations. they have a...

Over euphrates. >> that's syria, absolutely. >> they're a receptive audience. that's different. this is the intel community. we've talked about this before. the russians did this to affect the outcome of the election and they're still doing those kinds of things without a coordinated empowered american response. >> are you expecting this to happen again in 2018? >> well, yeah, well, it's happening now. i mean, we can actually see the russian bot nets and their in r interference with real and not real people in american social media. they grabbed on to the nfl take a knee controversy and played...

Intimate based society already. >> tiny astonia with its medieval walls and cobble stone stets is actually a technology power house. it was the first country to allow online voting and it's known for being the birth place of skype but now it was under one of the most crippling cyber attacks the world had ever seen. the attackers created so-called bot nets. taking over hundreds of thousands of computers to launch the attack. >> they flooded the inputs of observers. >> it's 10s and hundreds of times more than the servers could handle. >> and the assault went on for weeks. eventually astonia had ...

>> it is a dilemma. it would have been seized upon as an attempt to bias the election. there was enormous bias in the election because of the russians. how do you balance that out without further damaging? it is an extremely difficult problem. americans have to understand the extensive methods that the russians used to intervene. it involved 1,000 trolz, fake news, hacking, bot nets to generate fake messages on social media. it was massive. >> what should president trump be doing? >> you need to have a cyber command that works with the other democrat republics in the world. russia didn't want ...

Promote a story hundreds or thousands of times, then that puts it into trending feeds. once it's in a trending feed, it takes it on a life of its own. >> reporter: experts who research russia's fake news campaigns testified before the senate intelligence committee, explaining how putin's government uses an army of trolls, online critics who push their agendas, to confuse and frighten audiences in the west, an idea that played out dramatically on the showtime series "homeland." a troll factory where hundreds of employees toil away, posting fake news under fake names. >> iraq bob. >> that's me. ...