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>> and what you're hearing right now out of d.c. is a lot of either/or. either you or with russia or you're against it. the bottom lineei in international politics and international affairs is it tends to be more nuanced, more complicated. in syria right now, we don't have a vested interest to spend hundreds of millions of dollars or send tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of troops. we have to work with russiaf to a degree, and the iranians, to do what is in our interest. create stability, send those refugeess back. move forward with the interests we have. it's not -- >> tucker: wait ...