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Place right now in buffalo, new york. it's a blatantly victims, sadly, of the tragedy. freight, talk a little bit about that. the challenges, once this is no longer in the sandbox of the internet, the spilling over and becoming mainstream, as richard mentioned, what is there to do? >> well, we have previously heard the fbi director christopher wray in testimony on capitol hill tell the american public that's the most dangerous subset of domestic terrorism right now is indeed violent hate based terrorism. violent hate based extremism. the problem is that we have identified this, that is great, ...

Virus from this geopolitical behavior. >> you are massive master chess player, gary. what happens now to the people surrounding putin? for a long time he was able to pacify the alex by playing the money and making sure they had access to industry. what's happening now is a chess player when it comes to the inner circle of putin? what do you see? >> i think it is more about psychology rather than rules. i cannot verify this but i believe that all of them or at least most of them jesus. not because putin is a war criminal. they did not care about it. but because he is losing. and a dictator who ...

About this relationship between president obama and senator reid as you were able to observe it. >> jonathan, it was deep, obviously. it was born out of when president obama first came to the senate as senator obama, harry reid saw in this person somebody who could be the next president of the united states at a time when obviously there were many other senators in that caucus who were angling and thinking about that role. he comes to president obama or then senator obama and says hey, if you want it, you should go for it. and he had a major role to play in urging him to do so. obviously a yea...

Of -- it's stunning to me. so is it, you know, just delusions of grandeur from bannon and navarro to think that they had it all set up? or is it right that actually, the mob attack on the capitol may have safed the election certification? >> that was the goal. the goal was for us to not to be able to certify the election. and that's because, jonathan, this is a party that is so disaligned with where americans are. so if we just vote, they're anti-choice, anti-voter, anti-climate, anti-gun safety agenda is not going to work. and so they're shifting now to using violent rhetoric, threats against...

Count of the electoral college votes, that is what is needed. anything else that happened on january 6 would not be relevant. the pentagon may have done things other than not dispatch troops to protect the capitol, which would be relevant. but there are other things that happened at the pentagon that should not be revealed because it would involve national security. so i think it's all good. and i am like eric swalwell. i am fired up and ready to fight for our democracy. >> well, all right, then. jill wine-banks, renee graham, thank you both so much for your time tonight. coming up, vice pre...