>> well, based on just the views and the way that people were paying attention to it as it was flying and it was having difficulty being torn apart, i knew it would pull at the heart strings like it did mine. brian: mike, now the flag seems to be in the news all the time. what does it mean for you and your family? >> well, again, our brother kevin was -- he was an incredible man, he never lost his composure even in the most difficult of times through his life. and that's the way we try to live ourselves. he battled through many, many situations and you know we all face battles in our lives and...