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chuck rosenberg, matt miller joins us, former special advisor on communications for the nsa, and former chief spokesperson for the department of justice. and jeff mason, white house correspondent for reuters. ryan, you had the very difficult challenge of speaking to us moments after this document dropped. you've had a bit more time, tell us what else we've learned. >> i mean, i think it's significant, especially in those photos that you discussed in the last hour, that show just how this was organized. i think the key part of this is essentially, them not trusting the trump team. bec...

for msnbc news, -- matt miller joins us, former special advisor on communications for the nsa, and former chief spokesperson for the department of justice. and jeff mason, white house correspondent for reuters. ryan, you had the very difficult challenge of speaking to us moments after this document dropped. you've had a bit more time, tell us what else we've learned. >> i mean, i think it's significant, especially those photos that you discussed in the last hour, that show just how this was organized. i think the key part of this is essentially, them not trusting the trump team. beca...

tell us what else you've learned. >> i mean, i think it's significant especially the photos yout discussed last hou that show just how this was organized. i think a key part of this is essentially them not trusting the trump team because after they had that initial grand jury subpoena that was delivered, you had this filing that was signed by a trump lawyer, name is redacted in this latest filing, so weis don't know based on the filing who it was, but has been reported publicly about this trump lawyercl said there was n responsive documents left. lo and behold when they went and exec...

A lowly box handler? come on! >> this is a problem in criminal law all the time. as you know when a ceo certifies the to the best of their knowledge this is accurate, just to be fair, there is a certain amount that especially in a large organization you do have to be relying on other people. so you do insists or you try to make it is fair as possible but it can happen that you were misled or someone made a mistake along the way. that's a very different situation than here. the department of justice calls it out just the way you are, and you hit the exact or the right paragraph, where they said...