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So the focus tonight and then on saturday is going to be on two people. it s going to be on michele bachmann, who had taken the lead sort of in an energetic wild wing, if you will, of the party, and now with rick perry running around and with sarah palin coming to the, to go to the state fair and so forth. it s whether michele bachmann can kind of hold the lead she forged as the early wild one out there on that side, and then the other person who s going to be under the gun is going to be tim pawlenty. tim pawlenty is from that establishment side and yet he has said i can be the crossover guy. i can work both sides of the street. if he doesn t do well in the debate and if he doesn t do well in the straw poll on saturday, i think he s pretty much finished even before the thing begins. beginning to look more like a three-way fight, romney, bachmann and the new guy on the block, perry. taking a heckling. you asked your question, i give you my answer. ....
Pawlenty running for years in his mind, and new people coming into politics, some with a religious background like bachmann and rick perry. who s going to win this? someone way new kind of background in the republican party or the traditional wing, sort of the whose turn is it crowd? a good question and hopefully what we ll help to decide tonight at the debate and saturday in the straw poll, and beyond into the caucus and the primary, chris, but i would say this, that one person left out of this equation that there hasn t been much discussion, ron paul who has built a lot of organization here and we should not underestimate the five years of work he s invested in this. aside from that, then i think what you re looking at is, will the energy that s generated by these candidates carry them through a straw poll and fairly high profile that haven t entered into this for the whole competition and that changing the shift of this and actually shifts the debate tonight. ....
Occasions, michele bachmann to petition the federal government for direct financial help or aid. a large chunk of those requests for funds set aside to president obama s stimulus program. which bachmann once labeled, and here s a question about jobs. i want to get to policy now, not just politics. the question of job creation. it seems to me everybody when i grew up want add military base near their house because it meant jobs. like the aerospace program. meant jobs. boeing in seattle, meant jobs. the idea the federal government can t create jobs doesn t seem to be questioned locally, even by people like bachmann. they want a chunk of the action if the government s going to spend the money. do federal programs like the stimulus bill that creates job do they create jobs or not and if so, what s the problem with doing them? ....
Establishment candidate who is, of course, mitt romney, he s on the way, seems to me, challenging michele bachmann. when does he begin to prove dominance over michele bachmann, the congresswoman from minnesota? chris, we ll get a great realtime test of this, because perry you know, will be in south carolina and new hampshire on saturday. then he comes here on sunday. he accepted a speaking slot at the waterloo county dinner late sunday afternoon and michele bachmann just accepted that invitation as well. unless someone else joins them, they will be the two featured speakers in an important county at a dinner. that back-to-back performance will set the tone how they ll compete. perry has backing from a bunch of groups associated with the tea party. he saw the waves of the tea party well before most other republicans, national figures, and i think as powerful as michele bachmann has been, as much as a following she s already built, perry comes in with a lot of umph, because tea party p ....
Either running shotgun or in the driver s seat, she s going to be tormenting him for months to come. wait a few months and endorse perry when it has the most impact. just a out that. i like the way you think, mark and john. have a great day. when we return, the first iowa debate is tonight. which side the republican party s going emerge? will it be the old, whose turn is it? bob dole, nixon, those guys, and mitt romney and jon huntsman or the party ever the tea party? have they taken over? is it a michele bachmann night tonight? you re watching hardball. only on msnbc. ....