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President. not a formal state visit, but a visit at sunnylands, so i think that outweighs the any snub by the first ladies. >> but michelle obama is not there. >> it's a second-tier issue. it's important that the leaders actually talk with each other and a chance for the president, u.s. president to register the cyberissue. complex of course because of the nsa issues for the last couple of days in the u.s. but becoming an increasingly volatile point of contention between the u.s. and china. >> we're told by the white house that the president is going to make an issue of cyberattacks. and the v...

>> so the issue for toyota, even as big as the numbers may be, millions of cars, all these years, the camry, all these -- huge selling cars, is not necessarily -- doesn't equate necessarily with legal liability, just a massive brand liability that may not necessarily result in anything like what firestone had to deal with because quite simply because of the fatalities? >> that's on the issue of the potential lawsuits. if you look at the lawsuits, i think that's how you would compare toyota versus what happened to firestone. as far as the expense to toyota, they're definitely going to take a hi...