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Democratic potential challenger with the same vote he has now. is his obstructionism part of the problem in kentucky for him? it doesn't seem to be playing great in kentucky. >> yeah, i mean, part of the overall problem of the republican brand and their failure to recognize what their basic brand problem is. you saw the same on guns. they see themselves as members of the house of representatives, they almost see themselves all in a district, and only see the red part of their base. they don't understand there are still even in kentucky some moderates, some independents that look at obstruction...

Is his obstructionism part of the problem in kentucky for him? it doesn't seem to be playing great in kentucky. >> yeah, i mean, part of the overall problem of the republican brand and their failure to recognize what their basic brand problem is. you saw the same on guns. they see themselves as members of the house of representatives, they almost see themselves all in a district, and only see the red part of their base. they don't understand there are still even in kentucky some moderates, some independents that look at obstructionism as a bad thing. people send their legislators to washington...

He gets nothing in history. >> there are a couple things going on here. the first is the president wins -- >> i mean by getting stuff done. in the end you're judged by what you get done. >> he's gotten a number of things done he has to make sure work. the republican, by the way, are going into 2014 with a brand problem. people think they don't get it. they think they're out of touch. >> nice try. >> he can take the house. >> okay. let me go back to you on this question. should the republicans beat him on everything? do they actually win if we get no gun safety? the republicans win if we get no...

The first is the president wins -- >> i mean by getting stuff done. in the end you're judged by what you get done. >> he's gotten a number of things done he has to make sure work. the republican, by the way, are going into 2014 with a brand problem. people think they don't get it. they think they're out of touch. >> nice try. >> he can take the house. >> okay. let me go back to you on this question. should the republicans beat him on everything? do they actually win if we get no gun safety? the republicans win if we get no immigration reform or no deal on the budget. do they win with three los...

Their lives. i think he's in a very good position coming out on this budget conversation, bring a budget forward -- >> because he put his cards on the table. >> he looks perfectly reasonable. in the immigration debate, the president is looking reasonable. >> he's leading from behind. >> he's leading from behind only because he wants the senate to act first. but he will lead on this if that's what it takes. >> let me ask you the last question to you then i'll go to john. people tell me, i mean, i know this, this is what i think about all the time. they hate him so much on the republican right t...