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Winning by double digits and is having fund-raising problems, that to me is big red flag. >> although, again, he continues to be at 30% in the polls and he continues to lead. >> without a doubt. and that's the point, though, is that when can you point to someone who's been that far-out this early who can't fund raise? >> you said about this idea that like these people can win, so i think there's two things happening. partly it's some confidence. and partly it's also true and there's all this hectoring of democrats here the bubble and this and that. back in 2018 they understood that's baked in....

Lick the envelope for you and make calls, that's done. the people that you need to get are people like what's happening with my health care. and i think you have seen that carry over generally to the message last night. even when they're arguing or fighting about policy, it is pretty brass tack stuff. >> yeah, but i also think there were lessons learned from 2016 because, you know, i don't think this is necessarily true that we only focused on, you know, trump is racist, trump is a white nationalist, he's bad and don't vote for him. there was a lot of policy. we just didn't get to talk about i...