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Mcintosh with emily's list. lizza had this interesting piece where he talked about the populist campaign that brat ran, in which he talked about the fact that big business and big government were in with each other. he talked about wall street and talked about the fact that cantor wasn't on the side of the little guy. and i think there's a lot of -- there's a lot of populist anger against congress and eric cantor kind of represented the worst of it. >> and i spoke to a couple of local reporters from that district today. and they both had stories, along the lines of, cantor when he would rarely...

Fascinating, and you heard it sort of listening to brat talk is that people are just scrambling to figure out what the message is because nobody had paid any attention to this race. people are sort of just digging into the kind of campaign that brat ran and so on. and so far i think the best answer we've come up with is that brat ran as a sort of full spectrum populist. that he's obviously a libertarian, a small-government conservative and so on. but all of his attacks on cantor were related to sort of, you know, big business and big government colluding, accusing cantor of personal corruption...

Since 1970. and we need to care about americans first. >> so russell, i probably should have introduced that better because brat ran campaign ads talking about cantor's willingness to work across the aisle on immigration. how bad did his position on immigration hurt him? >> it was very interesting because cantor was getting it from both sides on immigration. gutierrez was in his district criticizing him for not bringing up immigration. then we have dave brat. and it's important to know. this is the issue that people like lauw ink -- laura ink grahm brought up.

Is this -- obviously, it's an upset because of eric cantor's position, but is this an upset we should understand as being an issue driven upset because mr. brat ran against eric cantor so heavily, especially on the issue of immigration? >> yeah, that's what we'll be hearing now, i expect, nonstop, the idea that this race signaled the republican base, the tea party base of the republican party is still as much opposed to -- as much in revolt of the concept of immigration reform as always, maybe more so than ever, because all the talk, of course, the broader national context for this race, i thi...

The way it was conveyed in this race wasn't that he was bringing up the bill tomorrow. it was that he was a tool of the chamber of commerce. and the chamber of commerce means a lot of things to republican voters. brat ran, he was explicit in the speech tonight framed everything he was doing as populism, americans first, job creation on main street versus the interests of big republican business. and that might not sound coherent to democrats who are watching this with amazement. but one of the reasons cantor lost is because in addition to being seen as too close to the chamber, he wasn't seen ...