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What do you know about that? what's the white house saying? what are you hearing? >> reporter: all along the white house has really tried to avoid engaging in these discussions about a pardon's they haven't taken it off the table but certainly president trump hasn't been signaling directly he is going to pardon anyone involved in the investigation. you know, pardons are part of the conversation separately in the case of right now michael cohen, the president's former attorney, who is right now facing some scrutiny after making claims to congress about his lawyer potentially advising him to see...