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>> well, the doj has to make a decision whether it really matters. the fact of the matter is trump has been making clear he is going to be a candidate and is a major figure in the republican party and has been doing that for two years. in january of 2021 a couple weeks after january 6th i wrote an op-ed in "the washington post" arguing that there should be multiple special counsels appointed to look at trump's conduct divided by subject matter. the justice department decided to keep it all in house. i think the problem of doing it at this point would be that it causes delay that i don't think ...

September and october trying to make mandela barnes the issue and particularly his roots in the activist community there, tried to tie him to the defund police movement. and as with other states the crime issue has cut there. it's turned what was a barnes lead into a, maybe a slightly uphill battle for him. >> i mean, johnson was considered the most vulnerable senator, the most vulnerable senator. he has successfully made this caricature out of mandela barnes. you can make the case though that barnes was too progressive for the state of wisconsin. that may be a real problem for the democrats t...

Governor is incredibly popular so if you are just voting down ballot i think that is his best bet. this is a candidate, brian bolduc, sununu was distancing himself in the primary. he is a bit extreme. he is a war hero with a very interesting history. it speaks to how bad the environment is for democrats that an incumbent relatively popular senator like hassan is having such a hard time. >> sununu called him a crazy conspiracy theorist. >> in a nice way. >> then he took it back, oh, you know we all have to vote republican. >> the numbers are really telling. nbc just had a poll out 81%, those nu...

Picture. i don't know that democrats will lose those races. that would be a stunning development. it does speak to the kind of year we're in, in which the ties don't go to the incumbents but the challenging party. i think that is the concern a lot of democrats have right now >> i was in new hampshire. and sort of mid october. and there was standing room only. he has done 80 town halls, been a very good candidate. maggie hassan, former governor, senator, good candidate as well. but for new hampshire he was really getting the crowd. you have to say to yourself, what is going on in new hampshire?...

Himself. >> do you think he is right? >> i don't think so because i think the evidence will determine what the justice department does both in that case and in the january 6th case and is also going to determine what happens in georgia where there is a very serious investigation quite far along. >> the -- do you think governor desantis is the most formidible of potential primary opponents for the president? i don't know if desantis would run if the president announces >> i think he, if i had to pick one person to run against him who might have a chance it would be desantis. but i don't think h...