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Murder. steve: could the shooter claim insanity and how were all the warning signs missed? brian: we're asking members of the tel tulsa police department gang unit and analysts for a&e live's pd run away hit. sergeant sean larkin a reality show that really have reality. you are solving instant crimes and doing instant commentary it's fascinating. >> thank you. brian: i know you are a dad and personally affected and a law enforcement who wouldn't be when you have high school kids and see the problems? high schoolers under the gun literally and being killed in cold blood from. a law enforcement ...

He can't stop them. the only thing he could do is give his life to save others. if he had a gun maybe there would have been a different outcome. brian: lucas, maybe you could help us. we don't understand in terms of the security. what was the security? if i wanted to go in and out of your school, why be stopped? if i'm a former student, why be stopped going in and out of the school, lucas? >> i mean, you would definitely be questioned. i don't know if be there he would definitely be questioned. and if you got. brian: that's how he did it, i guess. steve: tyler, let me ask you this. we apprecia...

How was this man clearly disturbed able to get ar-15 semiautomatic rifle. all of these things are questions today. steve: we know the answer to how he was able to access the school. that is because he chose just before dismissal. because at that point, they open the gates. and that means there's less security. but then what he did was, as soon as they heard the shots, they had a lockdown, which automatically closes the door. but what did he do? he overrode that by hitting a fire alarm. which opened all the doors up. brian: with these mass killers evidently there is a lot of premed occasion to ...

We don't know. nonetheless he felt they followed protocol. rachel: in these tragic times one of the silver linings here we see a lot of heroic stories. you mentioned earlier that nikolas cruz was in the junior rotc but there were some jr. rotc students at this school who actually helped save their classmates by using some of the skills and information they learned through the program. brian: listen to. >> in our classroom we have kevlar sheets we hang off a curtain. we brought all those stands up made of kevlar, bullet proof vest material. we brought them up everybody behind them at least they...

Crying. it was just -- it crushed us deep down. brian: what did you understand lieu does the coach did. there is shooting going on inside. got the student to safety. what do you understand people told you happened next? >> pretty much what i have heard is that he saw a bunch of kids running and the gunman looked right at them. he jumped in front of it and supposedly he took 8 bullets. i'm not sure if that's true. but is he a hero. steve: yeah, tyler, i have read one story in one of the papers this morning that it sounds like the coach actually jumped on the shooter and may have engaged him lik...