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You knowing, a, this president knows more about the degree of meddling than the rest of us because he's had briefings that civilians have not, and, b, he was given a heads up that these 12 most recent indictments were coming before he left on this trip from his own government? >> brian, this is -- this is about the truth. presidents who underestimate the american people and think that they can tell them whatever they want to tell them and that the american people will accept any lie that they tell them really does underestimate the american people and weaken himself. i don't think there is any...

I think it was a mistake and i think the president's going to pay for it. >> does it make things worse for you knowing, a, this president knows more about the degree of meddling than the rest of us because he's had briefings that civilians have not, and, b, he was given a heads up that these 12 most recent indictments were coming before he left on this trip from his own government? >> brian, this is -- this is about the truth. presidents who underestimate the american people and think that they can tell them whatever they want to tell them and that the american people will accept any lie that ...

But the fact is he is the president of the united states. it is the office of the presidency. it's supposed to be the leader of the free world. the idea that he may be an agent or acting as an agent of a foreign power is terrifying. i mean, look at what he knows and the power that he possesses, but at the same time there is just a litany of behaviors that have -- that led up to yesterday. what they really did, i think, is confirm, not just to those who are working the case but to the world, that there is a reason to be suspicious. that there is a reason to be concerned. >> charlie sykes, folks...

Morning tv program, the host, brian killmeade spoke directly into the camera. from november, when everybody had you losing, you shocked the world. it wouldn't because of russia but russia's goal was to upend the electoral process. they hate democracy. he went on to say, this has to be corrected. the president later corrected it. so, charlie, were minds changed today, when even members of the president's base saw that statement he read in the cabinet room? >> only the minds that wanted to be changed, because as a walk-back this was ludicrous. i mean, as an excuse, this made the dog ate my homew...

That didn't happen here because this president refuses to learn and to listen and to do what is necessary. he'd rather operate by his gut instincts. that's fine if you're a new york developer. it works if you're a new york developer. it does not work if you're president of the united states. >> former cia director, former secretary of defense, leon panetta with us tonight from california. mr. secretary, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you, brian. coming up, as we continue the political fallout before and after donald trump's attempt at damage control. how the putin controversy ...