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He tried to lay on the fbi director and that resulted in the fbi director writing memos that now memorialize those conversations. he fired the fbi director and that led to bob muller becoming the special counsel. every time they take a step to obstruct this investigation because he wants it shut down, it ends up back firing. i think this effort to discredit the staff is going to end up the exact same way. >> brian, how much of the sum total of mistakes made thus far by the administration can be chalked up to ignorance, ignorance of how washington works, ignorance of the law, ignorance of all m...

Above. look, brian, you make a great point and i actually caught a repeat of a movie i hadn't seen in a long time, "all the president's men" the other day. there's a great scene where woodard and deep throat were in the parking garage and how hull bert tells redford, you have to understand these guys in the white house. they're just not all that bright. i think, you know, history repeats itself is a farce and maybe it's a tragic. these guys are aamateurs. we've said it before, you've got to act like you've been there before and they don't. you've got to ask yourself in terms of the jeff sessio...

Perhaps being requested to come back to congress and clarify things that he said. he has some legal exposure there. he's also got some issues with respect to maintaining the independence of the justice department. we're really seeing an effort by this white house and by this president to basically lay on justice and influence an investigation, shut down the special counsel investigation if they can. he has a challenge if he does end up staying in his position to find a way to insulate the department of justice from political interference by the white house. >> brian wiseiss, the justice depart...