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Second ago. she has been a focal point of attack by republicans and particularly, then candidate trump and now president trump on twitter, on the stump and everything unlike anyone else. most of the people in the upcoming presidential field, she has not only taken attacks from president trump, but she's given as good as she's gotten. >> a disagreement about that, jonathan. you know there's a lot of people who think she played the whole thing with the dna test wrong, that once that, in fact, there are plenty of analysts who suggest she has shown other democratic candidates how not to treat dona...

Is it just sanctions and we continue to go verbal brick bat for verbal brick bat and it doesn't do anything? i don't know. that, to me, is the critical piece. >> what is your strategy, thanks to both of you. next, a matter of life and death is a mother's message about the threat to obamacare and her baby. >> she has ten pre-existing conditions she was born with. >> they had full insurance and a lot of savings. a cabinet member getting round the clock protection. why does he need it?

They conducted themselves in the white house, and yet they were still just hit with brick bat after brick bat from their opponents. i think there's a sense, well, listen, when african-americans put up a candidate, our candidates have to be beyond pure. they have to act better than anyone. and yet, they still aren't treated with respect. why is it -- does there seem to be a double standard from the conservatives for their candidates when they put up candidates that don't meet that obama -- that barack and michelle obama standard. >> but will that light a fire under african-american voters? you ...