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Anywhere in american tradition. >> okay. fair. so, let's move on to another part of their expected argument. they say that they had no park in the bulk -- that's a quote, no park in the bulk -- of the violence. does it matter that stewart rhodes' lawyer says that the evidence will show the oath keepers had no part in the bulk of the violence. does that hold up? >> i'm not sure if that was stewart rhodes' attorney or another attorney that said that, but in a conspiracy case, it doesn't matter. if the activities are foreseeable, part of the agreement, then you're in for a penny, you're in for a ...

It will help them both to continue that. in the aftermath, fema has to follow through. we've had this in kentucky where they've had to follow through. sometimes they're slow and somebody has to call and rattle the cage, and i'm sure desantis will have to do that. i think what americans want to see is these guys talking, working together, and they are. good on both of them. >> do we see a hug? >> we're not going to see a hug. it's asymmetrical hatred to tell you the truth. if donald trump were the president and there were a democratic governor in the state, the democratic governor would show up...

Authenticity. >> let me just ask you about that. because i mean, so is their success based on the amount of money? because what is the brand and what is the impact the brand has had on young girls? >> well, what is interesting is it is funny, a lot -- i'll say it another way. those girls all known in the business, incredibly hard working, none of them drink, none do drugs, they are very savvy businesspeople. and if you watch a kardashian show, it is no different than all the family or honeymooners, it is all about a family. this week he's episode, the brother-in-law didn't show up, but just a ...

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Croydon Council-owned developer has withdrawn planning applications for more than 470 homes across 23 sites in the borough.