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Topic. >> this is an issue because when a bridge collapses and there are, as you said, not just water underneath, but there are people and businesses, the rescue is complicated by the fact that there's still a bridge span up there that we don't know why the first one fell in the first place. this is uniquely difficult and dangerous because it's not like it's just aftermath and you're trying to find survivors. >> that's right. i mean, you're seeing these images, snarled rebar, lots of big chunks of concrete. this is tons of infrastructure that fell on to the heads of the people working undernea...

Rescue effort continues right now? >> reporter: david, authorities are calling this an all hands on deck situation. they'll be out here working throughout the night. they tell us they can't confirm the number of people dead, simply because they can't access the area or all of those cars that are stuck underneath the enormous weight of that bridge. david? >> just a horrific scene there. and victor, as you know, there are a lot of questions tonight about that new bridge, built befo beforehand and trucked to the scene. tonight, we have just learned that the ntsb is now investigating. and look at ...

This is one of the most if not the most important bridge span in the entire nation. i think governor chris christie is in terrible jeopardy right now. he basically used the barack obama motown defense. i heard it through the grapevine. the president used this successfully in terms of not knowing that obamacare web site was going to be ready on time. he used it successfully with the irs. >> but christie fired somebody. >> there was an e-mail. if it was against the president you would be talking the i word. if chris christie lied in that extraordinary, almost two hour long press conference and i...

can pass it in the next day or two and avert the first default on our national debt in history. >> i am worried about the size of defense cuts that may be contemplated, but that doesn't mean i'm therefore rejecting the agreement. i'm just worried. >> this is a head scratcher. stocks take a tumble after the debt relief rally that happened earlier this morning. the dow surged more than 120 points, but a weak manufacturing report, just sanction the market. stocks posting the worst weekly performance in more than a year in a debt stalemate last week. the dow is at 12:07. down 70 points. ...

California, he describes this move as somewhat risky, having this bridge span eight lanes of very busy roadway before the center support tower was even built. all of these questions will be certainly coming out in the next days, but the search and rescue operation, looking for survivors, as you can tell the sunset happening behind me, it is going to go all through the night and definitely into the early morning hours, if not longer on friday. >> martha: phil, just to clarify, there is no center, there was no center holding this up at this point? >> by all of the video we have seen on the insta...