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When they get into caucus, they need to convince, they need to be able to convince the other justices, look, my viewpoint is the one you should adopt instead of this other tangent. and being controversial, being conflicted -- i know ted cruz's name was mentioned, he's also a very, very smart, brilliant guy, but he does have a tendency to be controversial. diane sykes has a reputation for being very personable and charming and approachable and likable, and that goes a long way in winning votes over to your side. harris: all right. so that's how it could go if it goes well. if the democrats, lis...

We're back on our continuing education about an interracial open carry moment that occurred in ferguson, missouri. sam, back to you, in part because i'm interested in the idea you actually learned something about the experience of african-americans in those early conversations that you were having. and that that's part of what moved you to action. >> yes. >> can you tell us a little bit about that? >> well, initially, some of the younger protesters came up to me and said, what kind of gun are you carrying? i told them, that's the kind you should carry so people stop abusing your rights. and th...

That to me -- >> this is so unoriginal. i grew up with the court but they act like it's a brand-new idea to attack the supreme court, a fresh new notion. trashing the court is what is going on since roosevelt didn't like the court, he tried to pack it and conservatives didn't like it because brown case and the rest of it, they didn't like the prayer in school case, so they trashed it. >> didn't lincoln try to make it 13 people or something like that? it goes way back. >> so boring. >> it's going to be a huge issue. >> let's play with this idea of cruz'. he's a lawyer, went to harvard law, bril...

>> let's play with this idea of cruz'. he's a lawyer, went to harvard law, brilliant guy. >> former general of the state. >> how did he think would work every eight years would have a retention election? the supreme court justice would have campaign and have advertising and the people that didn't like it would run advertising campaigns against it. is this an improvement? >> how can you think more elections, more money, more poll litization, would they join political parties. >> what about the justice who doesn't have any money? >> he doesn't actually think this, chris. of course, he doesn't th...

Literally everyone else. >> when you hear that apparently he testified saying, i was trying to do a wrestling move, it wasn't a choke hold at all. >> well, you know, anderson, i think in this situation we have to think for ourself. we don't need his interpretation. regardless of what he had to say in the grand jury, they have the tape. and the tape is plenty enough evidence for the grand jury to have indicted him and they failed to do so. >> do you think that's a choke hold? i have had police officers say that's not a choke hold, it's a takedown. >> it's a takedown move that turned into a chok...