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Complaining about the process. i think that is all they have left. >> does that mean that the president is never going to participate in these hearings, brin brian. >> i think he is drawn to the biggest ratings show he could imagine. the facts are overwhelming, and they're corroborated by people who are not deep state plants. you have ambassador sondland who gave him a million dollars for his campaign, and he was hand picked to be a ambassador. when they try to discredit the process, they should be aware of the evidence against them being introduced by the white house, and that is a big proble...

Benghazi. he and the president were never close initially during the transition period when the president was running for office and then during the transition when he was coming into office. and brian, david petraeus has been a star and a star player, but this has been an awkward transition at best over at the cia. anything you want to add to that are or check? >> some of the initial coverage when he was named a few people were surprised that this was, given the world he comes out of, and given the fact that we really have not minted all that many four-star generals especially in the modern e...

Important cabinet position is a full-time job in and of itself. >> but traditionally the treasury secretary when jim baker was treasury secretary he was the chief negotiator. depends on the individual and relationships. brian, i know you got to go and start working on "nightly news" but your thoughts about how the president reaches out to congress and to the business community, whether that's one of the agendas that he should assign himself? >> well, chris raises such an interesting point because i think what we're trying to say is, do you want someone in your service who, when they walk into ...

Trying to hint at it saying i'm not wedded to every part of my plan. you talk to republicans and they say, if he is willing to do structural changes to social security and medicare, and the structural changes they all point to, the first one has to do with age, they simply -- that the president goes along with raising the age on social security, which won't -- will -- he'll lose half of democrats, 100 democrats in the house, he'll get almost all the revenues he wants. assuming that minimum floor is $800 billion, the president would have almost took with boehner and that deal on july 11. that's...

Things and the result can be contrary to what the white house would like to see. >> brian, you've raised the subject of treasury secretary. jack lew is the chief negotiator on fiscal cliff, chief of staff, former omb director, he has real economic background but let me ask, is he the strongest candidate for treasury secretary or would the president be better served to have someone from wall street and can he have someone from wall street, given how -- what the reaction from the democratic base would be. >> i think there's two separate sets of considerations. one is who is the president comfort...