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Force seniors to pay more for health care and make states cut back their government programs. that's according to the congressional budget office. is that not a reality? >> i'd just say a few things. number one, medicaid's broken, and throwing more money at a broken system doesn't work. we've gotten dozens of letters from governors saying give us the freedom to fix medicaid our own way in our own states and we're giving them that freedom. medicaid grows at a more sustainable rate. yes, we do repeal the law. fact number one, when medicare was created, men were living in their 60s, women were li...

Americans in 2014 that would force seniors to pay more for health care and make states cut back their government programs. that's according to the congressional budget office. is that not a reality? >> i'd just say a few things. number one, medicaid's broken, and throwing more money at a broken system doesn't work. we've gotten dozens of letters from governors saying give us the freedom to fix medicaid our own way in our own states and we're giving them that freedom. medicaid grows at a more sustainable rate. yes, we do repeal the law. fact number one, when medicare was created, men were livin...

We're competing against china and india. and when we tax our job creators more than they tax theirs, we lose, they win, and we don't want that to happen. >> let me talk more specifically about medicare and provide a little bit more clarity on this. i'm going to put something up the "los angeles times" reported on wednesday. here's the headline -- "gop's budget shifts health burden. the plan reduces the federal government's role in medicaid and mid care in an effort to trim $5.8 trillion." $5.8 trillion." it says, "the gop proposal would phase out direct payments to doctors and hospitals under ...