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Protecting the chain of how they got their, how they determined it who they are talking to why they are talking to certain individuals. therefore, they are not going to want to do this. i believe by the way -- i happened to be in london late last year. they have the identity of this particular individual. >> they know -- >> they believe with a high degree of certainty who it is. >> this particular individual just want to get your confirmation he's high on the u.s. target list for assassination or capture or whatever? >> well anybody that plays that important of a role for the propaganda machin...

That's his name. we all know now that's his name. do you understand what's going on here? >> well, kwie offquite often when you have a non-confirmation they don't want to reveal operational details or give away knowledge that they have obtained order how they obtained it. there's usually some reasonable basis for that. as you say, it's pretty widely known. i'm not going to confirm it. but i think it's an operational intelligence reason for not owe fushlly ly fishl -- >> if you can't confirm it you don't have to confirm it. we know his name. senator, we have a lot more to discuss. stand by, if ...

Supposedly to take place to turkey and syria. do we know if that individual was directly linked to isis? >> i don't know the answer to that. one of the things that we're working through in this case and in others is what is the level of engagement with isis. was this a situation where as the criminal complaint points out that some of these people were in touch with a website that's affiliated with isis or was there some more direct involvement, were they getting instructions from isis to finance particular plots. so there are obviously a hierarchy of command and control. some may be self-radic...

Investigations under way right now all 50 states. the director of national intelligence james clapper said 2014 was the most lethal year for terrorism since they started counting about 45 years ago. what's going on over here? >> clapper is right. i mean you have to look at the islamic state even though it is a semi-state as a terrorist group. kid p naing of the christians and cops and the rest of it it's a tearrrorist group. it has reeked more havoc and destruction than anybody, including al qaeda. he is right. it's the most dangerous -- let's not forget since first world trade center bombing,...

Earnest. the police said we don't want the media to speculate on the name of jihadi john because life is at risk. those are the words they have used. even today, the police are sticking by that line. this is metropolitan police here. they are in charge of counter terrorism in london. emwazi was on their radar but what their message at the moment is is they have an ongoing terror investigation. the prime minister's office here david cameron, has said -- david cameron himself has said in the recent past they want to bring jihadi john back to britain to face justice here. they want justice to be ...