until he is up, no celebration and that is when he will be very happy. wilson has been out here, i joined wilson in a nearby mine along with his brother, who is the father of florencio, 31 years old, his younger brother, 29, also down in the mine. florenci to o will come up first, his brother latelier, clearly the hope everyone comes without a hitch. they think they have it set up to do that we will see here as it begins in minutes. how about those brave paramedics going down there first? this is an amazing story. kerry, thanks so much tonight. dr. charles marmer is the chair of the department of psychiatry at the medical center at nyu, also with us tonight is tony apaguard, mine advocate and former msha official and tony