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Cuts to pay for it. makes sense to do the obamacare tax cuts first. pay for them with spending care. then do tax reform next. that was the thinking behind setting it up the way they have. if they need to change that for whatever reason, you could do tax reform first but you would end up leaving the obamacare taxes off the table if you did that. >> dana: early on the show martha was on, she hosts "the first 100 days." she said remember, as you just said as well, the president has surprised before. could be that they end up getting this bill passed. if it doesn't, i'm curious about this. the fre...

The people they can get most. but there's no guarantee they will be able to bring them into the yes column. >> dana: when you look at the odds of whether this bill will pass in an hour, what do you make of it? >> we're all relying on reporting these whip counts, which can be good or can be bad. it seems to me when you aggregate all of the information together, it seems like there's a higher probable that this will get pulled than pass. >> dana: let me switch gears with you. there's another big story. that was neil gorsuch had his confirmation hearings. the democrats have decided they're gonna ...

Hearing on monday that was going to include some former obama administration officials and adam schiff, the ranking chair, expressed some displeasure on that. can you offer a last comment on that before i let you go? >> just a short brief comment. i regret that chairman nunes has acted in a fashion which in my opinion undermines his ability to run nonpartisan fair committee hearings. i don't know why hi's done that, but he has done it. i frankly think we need a commission that is like a 9/11 commission with equal democrats and republicans, high level people, not in the congress, who have the t...

Your perspective. you've been on the other side where you are trying to get votes on something that's down to the wire. now that you can sit back and watch them do that on the republican side of things, what do you think will happen this afternoon? >> i think it's going to lose. . there's not a confidence on the republican side of the aisle that they have the votes. president's weighed in. they've weighed in. it appears, and i don't count the republican votes so i have no idea, but the appearance is that they're not very confident that they have the votes. those in the media are reporting thei...

A vote on his amendment. they didn't allow that. it would have been one strategy that could have had the rules committee rule that, let him have that on the floor. if the amendment doesn't pass, he would be able to say, i tried to get it. maybe he and other freedom caucus members might be willing to vote for the bill. that's something they could have done. they could still go back and do that defending on if they try to chain strategies here. >> dana: how disastrous is it for the economy or people trying to deal with obamacare if the president's warning was, vote on this. if it doesn't pass, m...