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Know, how, how this sort of online fever culture has taken root inside of people. i think we're going to see youtube, reddit, all these sort of places where conspiracies sort of bubble up and take root in had this conspiratorial metastasizes. the platforms have been around for a while, and they've really been unproven in this way, and i think we're going to see those people get more, they're going to start taking jobs in government and have, clearly, and moving on into the world. and we're going to see the effects of this sort of socializati socialization for a long time. >> it also strikes me...

He's been providing some assistance. but he doesn't want to be a foil for the republican party. he is -- he's kind of wanting to play more of a behind the scenes role and happy to do that. he wants more people to kind of bubble up. he wants the party to have you know, more of the fresh blood, a new chance for leaders to come up. so i think he wants to play that kind of role a behind the scenes role. which is why you're not seeing him do a lot of interviews and why this interview is pretty rare. >> it is rare. and that's not -- that's a typical thing. former presidents don't tend to give a lot ...

That's fuelling some of this behavior in resent days. >> i think the president is sort of flooding the zone. there's so much going on. the tax bill fight. the russia investigation. the president's tweets. that it may well be he thinks just mud by diing the water so he in the media, the american public don't just focus on one thing like the possibility that is starting to bubble up, that general flynn might be copping a plea, doesn't, we don't all focus on that. and that perhaps he thinks helps mem him in the long run to sort of string this whole controversy. >> you think a plea deal with micha...

Or senate at this time. these things kind of bubble up to a point where you're pinpointed like that, you got to be clear. you've got to be forthright. i thought he was without ee quif owe indication. >> you expect it from both of these guys? >> the vice president is not going to go where paul ryan is. he isn't. by virtue of this relationship with the president, not going to do that. >> what happened in charlottesville is still very much at the forefront of the american pulse, if you will. you saw the city council meeting overnight that got extremely heated, people still emotional for folks. th...

Are explaining is, no, no, you have a legal problem now and there's going to come a time and we may have already reached it for some of you where the legal problems are more important than the pr problems right now. so that's the tension that you're seeing and those are the disagreements and different points of view that are being tossed around internally, and some of that tension and some of that disagreement, you're seeing come outside, bubble up. >> i want to read just one little portion of that article that you wrote. one of the authors of this article, it says, he won't follow instruction...